On of the reasons we started this site was to point out things that us common folks see as obvious but somehow get ignored by the higher ups. These sort of oversights occur in social issues, politics, and sports. So here is one common sense thing that I’m sure everyone reading this who doesn’t work for ESPN, Fox Sports, The Sporting News, etc. already knows but get repeatedly forgotten by the so-called experts.
In basketball we have spent this new millennium in a new epoch; the epoch of the guard. The old school thinking was that if you were starting a team from scratch the first player you would select to be the center piece for your team would be a ‘big man’. They actually brought this question up on Pardon the Interruption the other day in regards to the upcoming NBA draft and both Tony and Mike insisted that the smartest move was to take a big inside player before you take a guard. I’m not surprised that Tony and Mike cling to that mentality, which was true in the past, because they and their sports writer/sports analyst brethren have continued to perpetuate this myth despite two very recent basketball incidents that prove the opposite to be true.
First, as all my friends know, because I am still bragging about it, I picked Davidson to make it to the elite eight of the NCAA tournament. No one I know of made that same pick. In fact, Tony and Mike, many of my friends, and many more sports analysts picked Georgetown to advance to the elite eight at least if not the final four. Of course, as it turned out I was right and all those other people were left to experience me being a sore winner. The reason I gave Davidson props before the tourney started is because in the 2007 Southern Conference Championship Stephon Curry singlehandedly dismantled my alma mater College of Charleston. Then at the start of this past season, I watched Curry and Davidson nearly beat my Duke Blue Devils and then go one to seriously outplay North Carolina in a game that UNC was lucky to escape with a win from. Now I wasn’t the only one to notice that Davidson was bad ass, but what prevented the so-called experts from having the foresight that I had concerning Davidson’s NCAA run was that they are stuck in a bygone era in which the ‘big man’ is always more valuable than the ‘little guy’. Operating under that presumption, of course all the ‘experts’ picked Georgetown to walk over Davidson because all Davidson had was a skinny little guard while Georgetown sported the giant Roy Hibbert. But if you are living in “the now” and realize that in this era guards are more important than centers, you knew, as I did, that Davidson could upset not only Georgetown, but any team who relied entirely on inside play and lacked a high caliber perimeter defender. Thus, in filling out my bracket I knew that Davidson would make it to the elite eight and then lose to Kansas, a team that had good perimeter defense and had their own guard players who could run the court, slash to the basket, and shoot threes.
The second instance of proof for this new guard driven era is Chris Paul’s play this season. Prior to the season everyone was too excited about Greg Oden and Kevin Durant to pay any mind to the little point guard for the Hornets. But as the season went on Paul put up numbers that were unprecedented. Even still, the pundits refused to believe that a team without a classic ‘big man’ could realistically keep up that pace, let alone make any noise in the playoffs. And yet here we are with the Hornets finishing second in the West and then destroying the Mavericks and now (as of when I am writing this post) forcing a game 7 against the defending champion San Antonio Spurs. The pundits, again caught napping in a bygone era, refused to pick the Hornets in the first round even though the Mavs have a proven track record of choking in the playoffs, and then refused to believe that the Spurs would do anything other that brush off nothing more than a frisky Hornets team in round two. In both cases the thought was that even though the Hornets clearly had the best player on the court in Chris Paul, he was just a guard, and his team would certainly lose to their opponent because the opponent had a ‘big man’ that the rest of the team play around.
The fact of the matter, which the analysts must begrudgingly admit unless they want to continue to make bad picks, is that this is the era of the guard, not the center. This is blatantly obvious when you look at the three best players in the NBA. Number one is Kobe Bryant, then LeBron James, and then (I would say) Chris Paul (the only reason I put Kobe ahead of LeBron is because Kobe is far better on defense and has a better three point shot). All those guys are backcourt players. None of them center their offense on ‘back to the basket moves’ and none of them get to play defense by just standing in the paint and shifting from block to block. The best low post player in the game right now is Tim Duncan who’s team is getting dominated by Chris Paul’s Hornets (by the way, who would’ve thought that 2 of the top four/five guys in the league would have played college ball at Wake Forest?). And while we’re talking about Chris Paul’s playoff dominance; last year when LeBron led his team over the much more overall talented Pistons he cemented his spot as one of the best two players in the league and the heir apparent to Jordan, meanwhile if Chris Paul leads his team of the overall more talented Spurs he will cement his spot as the best point guard maybe since Isaiah Thomas and ensure that he is spoken in the same breath as Kobe and LeBron (a spot that a couple of years ago most people, myself included, thought Carmelo Anthony would have eventually filled).
Before I get too off topic, let me get back to the original point of this being a new epoch in basketball. Part of the reason that mid-majors are able to make more noise in the NCAA is that while ‘big men’ of high quality are exceedingly rare and therefore typically snatched up by the big name schools, guards are in abundance. A mid-major can snap up a couple of solid guards, let them develop and run an offense suitable to guard-focused play and all of a sudden they can cause problems to the big name schools who are still running the old school half court offense that relies on inside play. In the NBA, where just about every team has adopted a more up-tempo style of offense due to a short shot clock and the need to make the game exciting in order to bring in fan interest and thereby make money (the Suns are an extreme example of this), there just isn’t enough time or enough motivation to run a lethargic half court offense that would allow a ‘big man’ to set up inside, have the ball fed to him, make his drop step and take a shot.
Moreover, think about how hard it is to guard Kobe as compared to someone like Shaq. With Shaq you can just double team the guy to try and keep the ball out of his hand and make sure he doesn’t get the ball right next to the basket, and if he does the ball in close you just foul him with your bench players. Conversely, the likes of Kobe or LeBron or Chris Paul can score from anywhere and play away from the basket, which means that to double team them you are pulling one guy away from the hoop and out into the court and that opens up the inside for the other guys on his team. It is harder to defensively scheme to stop an outside shooter who can drive to the hoop and make good passes to open players if you collapse on him with a double team than it is to just collapse down on a big inside player who sets up in the lane.
So if in today’s game, you are asked to play the imaginary role of General Manager for an NBA team, don’t fall back into the outdated mindset that Tony and Mike and the other sports analysts are stuck in, but rather realize that today’s game is dominated by guard play and so pick the best guard you can and build around that. A solid guard, in today’s epoch of basketball, will get the other players on your team involved with greater ease and cause nightmares for opposing coaches trying to come up with a defense to stop him. Think (or bet) accordingly.
I definitely agree with you to an extent. However, I think that what makes a successful college team is much different than the parts of a professional team.
I absolutely loved Davidson’s run, don’t get me wrong. But since it was primarily fueled by a guard, would the outcome have been the same if played again? And again?
I didn’t watch that segment of PTI, so I may be taking this out of context but it seems as though the question was who would you rather build your team around. I’m taking it more as an ongoing team rather than a team for a pick-up game.
If you boil down Kornheiser and Wilbon’s argument, I think it comes down to controlling the interior. Who can get you consistent, high-percentage shots throughout the course of a game? Who can anchor the defense and affect an opposing offense?
It’s a somewhat tired argument but a great big man operating in the paint is like landing body-blows in a boxing bout. Knockout players, the guards you referenced, can certainly get it done but the smart money should still be on the bigs.
Nice blog, man. Good stuff and cheers.
Good thoughts. I have to say, however, I think Davidson would beat those teams over and over again bc I think they are legitimately better and the teams they played have offensive styles that are outdated and unable to cope with Davidson’s style.
You’re right about the NBA and College being different, I should have accounted for that. Nevertheless, if I’m trying to run an NBA team, and you told me my best player could either be a big man or a guard, I’d pick the guard bc of all the reasons I mentioned in the post.
If you only had one good player on a team, and he was a center, I think the other side coudl scheme to stop him and beat you. Conversely, if you only good player is a guard, he can’t be stopped so easily and if you double him he can open up easy baskets for other players better than a big/inside player could.
Either way it’s a good argument. Thanks for the comment.
Before I get one second further into this post allow me to say that I, too, sir, had Davidson going to the Elite Eight. There be not one Oz, oh no…
If you have a big man who knows how to pass out of a double team, I agree with Feet that big men are valuable about the type of shots they get. It’s pretty hard for a quality big man who can pass to keep missing five and less footers all night long, whereas Lebron’s been having some rough nights, lately, and hasn’t been able to hit a thing.
By the way, I can here the Sports Guy crying all the way from Monday about the egregious play calling by the refs should the Celtics lose, or if they manage to win, how they’ve got their toughness back and they’re going to blow out the Pistons.
God the Sports Guy is getting annoying isn’t he?!?! He was much better when Boston didn’t win everything. I mean, outside of Duke fans who would want to hear me go on and on about how great Duke is? Answer, no one. ERG.
Anyway, I’ll admit that I am discounting the fact that a big man can get easy buckets. But don’t forget that the likes of LeBron, Kobe and CP3 can all drive to the basket, thus getting an easy bucket.
My overall point is just that if your best player is a guard, you can scheme a way to make his abilities impossible to defend and scheme a way to keep the game up tempo so that you can beat teams with an inside presence. Conversely, if you best player is a big man he is too dependant on others to get him the ball and then is dependent on his teammates to make outside shots if he is able to pass out of double teams (the guard is able to get people shots in close to the basket). Plus, from a coaching standpoint, you can’t really scheme around a big man in such a way as to negate an opponent with good guard play.
And I think that’s why the NBA and college are different. In college there is good coaching so they able and willing to scheme around guard play in order to topple big men led teams, whereas in the NBA coaching typically sucks or is just focused on the ‘talent managing’ part of it so they aren’t willing to scheme toward a guard. Thus, they all just draft a big man and try to build around that.
Fair enough, friend, I like these points.
Random question: can Lebron ever win a championship? I ask this not only for the most obvious question (he seems to demand the ball at crunch time and his teammates completely defer to him 75% of the time- a generous guess on my part), but how can any team afford to have him and another awesome player on their team? The Celtics proved that an elite team with two to three superstars (although Ray Allen is approaching White Dwarf status if we’re still considering him a star) can keep one mega star in check. Lebron’s always going to have a monster contract, and I’m not sure any team can afford him plus one other super quality player that can also take over a game. I think Daniel Gibson can be that player for the Cavs, but will Lebron let him? Will the Cav’s coach (his name eludes me at the moment?)? When will Lebron pull a Randy Moss and take a huge pay cut so his team can afford another superstar, thus giving him the best possible chance to win an NBA title? Or does he even care?
It’ll probably be purely circumstancial. I doubt that KG ever saw himself teaming with guys of a Ray Allen or Paul Pierce-caliber. Go back in time and there are plenty of examples. Hakeem, Barkley, Pippen and Drexler teamed up. Kareem played with Worthy and Magic.
Given the salaries, Iverson, K-Mart, Melo and Camby have a fortune between them. A smart GM can pull a trick and get help for LeBron if he wants it. Gasol and Lamar Odom don’t have salaries to sneeze at while still gainfully employing Kobe. Again, I’m convinced that a lot of it is luck and circumstance but…
LeBron’s best shot will be through Danny Ferry’s draft chops. Given that a lot of their mid-level players, Szczerbiak, Big Z, Wallce have huge contracts, there’s definitely cap room for a good supporting cast member.
However, with their young, ambitious ballers looking for pro forma salaries, it should eat up a lot of that space.
I’m sure he cares. You don’t get to this level without hard-work and a dedication to winning. I’m actually somewhat surprised that you’ve posed this question because a lot of commentators are playing a “when will LeBron win one” rather than “will LeBron win one” game.
Jim, I’m sort of detecting a dislike of LeBron from you. Is this true? I mean I really like LeBron. Sure his one move is to drive to the basket like a bull elephant but that’s a pretty spectacular move. Also, Danny Ferry is the GM for the Cavs and he is a former Duke Blue Devils so of course I’m going to support him.
As to the question can he win? I say yes. As feet in the paint pointed out, if they Lakers didn’t lose Bynum they’d be a near shoe in for title this year. Without Bynum they’ve still got a great shot at it. The question for Ferry is how to make a trade to pick up a complimentary player. Szczerbiak is an expiring contract so he can dish him out to someone in return for a complimentary player in the same way the Lakers got Gasol. But the problem is that the Griz gave up Gasol and there can’t possibly be another team as stupid as the Griz who would give up a high caliber player like Gasol for Wally’s expiring contract.
I like big Z, he is good inside. Ben Wallace you can’t get rid of bc his contract is crazy big. But you have to figure that at some point he gets back to being a solid player or at least have him come of the bench for big Z. I like ‘boobie’ Gibson as you do and delonte west is solid. So what they’re going to have to do is ditch wally plus some sort of combination of vareajo, sasha pavlovic, joe smith for a power forward and then draft back court guys that can shoot from outside.
But the biggest key to LeBron winning a championship is him improving his game from the outside or inside. Ethier way he be bad ass. Just learn to post up or shoot 3s this summer and he’s unstoppable.
And if Ferry pulls a Billy King, who was the GM of the 76ers when Iverson was there, and is unable to surround a star with players good enough to win a title, LeBron will go to the Knicks in 2010 and they’ll spend more money than the Yankees to surround him with players so they can win a championship and then spend then following decade paying off the luxury tax they’d incur.
Trey you should seriously contact ESPN about theft of intellectual property. This afternoon Wilbon and Kornheiser were discussing the NBA draft lottery and the likely fates of Derrick Rose and Michael Beasley. Wilbon said something to the effect of “an elite guard is what you build a team around these days.” That would mark the second time an ESPN employee has publicly stated an idea previously articulated by yourself, I think you have a valid case.
Thanks Brad. I’ve haven’t listened to my PTI podcasts yet, but as soon as I hear that I will become enraged.
However, as much as I love Tony and Wilbon, they are often late to come around on things. Only now have they realized that KG is possibly the worst clutch player is the NBA. If I beat Bill Simmons the Sports Guy to the punch on a topic, then I’m seriously going to go to Bristol and demand that they compensate me for plagerism or that they give all of us jobs. Seriously, who watches Around the Horn? If they steal my ideas one more time I’ll make sure that show is replaced by SP Sports round table discussion with Brad, Jeff, Jim, and Trey.
also, this is a link to a story from yahoo sports that i notice the other day. it says exactly what my ‘how to fix basketball’ post said as well.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;_ylt=AqFdZOn99966_nO4ODwrnHzevbYF?slug=dw-mayo051108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
honestly, how do we not have jobs as sports writers?